3d Systems - realistic?

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    Some mods contain 3d systems and many players requested such a stuff. But is that realistic?


    Yes the Universe does have more than 2 dimensions. But still many structures are based physical processes which force those structures to develop in a 2 dimensional way.
    Best example is the milkyway which is disc due to its rotation. Star systems are working in a similar way. A sun in the center and planets orbiting the sun.
    Based on our own sol system we know that the planets are pretty much orbiting around the sun at the same degree. This alignment is based on the rotation of the entire sol system and its history of creation.


    In my oppinion (as i can not fly out there to prove it) the physics of planetary creation can not be cheated which means that in other sol systems the same structure had to be created which in the end would mean that 3 dimensional systems do not really exist if those systems have not been disturbed.


    The orbit of a planet can only be different fromt he other planets if another solar object had influence on that planet (eg. a giant asteroid which disturbed the original orbit)
    The chance that a planet does orbit the sun on the same degee that the other planets have but have a "shifted height" is also unlikly since that would mean that the sol system has to have 2 gravimetrical cores.


    Ok these are my thoughts about the topic... 3d systems are possible but extrem unlikely. So FL follows a realistic idea.


    Your thoughts?

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    I could not follow you. What do you mean with 3d? Planets and other stuff is not based to orbit around a gravimetrical core (suns, black holes, etc...) on a even plane. Mean planets and everything that orbits can have different angles.


    Means i am not sure if its realistic when everything is in nearly the same plane. For orbiting and rotation its not important where the object is located. Means it can orbit around the x axis as well as around the y axis and any axis at every degree. Cause the gravimetrical force would be everywhere and not in a 2d plane...


    the question is not if it is possible... the question is if its likely
    the solar planets are mainly on a 2d plane - there are exceptions with slightly different orbits but very likely is result of cosmic events which changed the original orbit (they are still close to the orbit of the other planets)
    and we dont even need to talk about pluto as it is unsure if this object originally belongs to our sol system


    IF orbit of the planets can be totally random... and IF this would be pretty likely then why isnt it there such a chaos around us? -> coz of solar creation

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    ok if its likely... I really have no clue as i cant go and have a look^^ ;)


    Why should it be forced to be in a 2d plane? I cant say. Pluto is no planet anymore so our sol system has only 8 planets. Nevertheless i think its very likely that there are systems outside ours where objects are not forced to orbit around the gravimetric core in a 2d plane...
    Hm are there any astrophysics outside who could answer this question.
    Its a very good question and i am excited about the reality^^

    From my understanding of orbital mechanics and of how solar system form, it is extremely unlikely that a globular solar system would form. As a gas cloud contract to form a start the angular momentum of the mass will bring the mater in a relatively uniform 2d plane around the star.


    To have a more chaotic system would most likely take the intervention of a large mass coming into the system and disturbing it or the capture of a non local object.


    For example, the moon Triton around Neptune turns the wrong way and is believed to be a captured dwarf planet of the same class as Pluto.


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    right - I thought the same
    we dont have planets spinning into the different direction... everything has its order
    except there are external influences


    to massivly change the orbit of a planet from its original plane orbit required the influence of other big objects like other suns being close to the system or black holes
    even giant asteroids or planetoids can only do relative small changes


    there are other objects in space which show a similar 2d structure -> old galaxies, asteroid fiels, planetary rings, moons


    I also dont think that solar systems with a disturbed planetary order will be a good place to be there as the gravimatrical core of that system (which is not the center of the sun) will be heavily shifted depending on the planetary positions.

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    the earth is not flat as already found out so is/are the universe/s.


    Having a flat view to another Galaxy do not means that it has no high, not to mention time and space curve (in German: Raumkrümmung - wasn´t able to find a proprt translation for it) as additional dimensions.


    The gravity core of a system builds logical positions as long as you have a gravimetrical fix point - just take the Planets with moons orbiting, the moons have another gravimetrical fix point and soon the "order" is disturbed also most planetary orbits are a ellipse.


    For example, System Utopia with it´s planets couldn´t exist this way (at least it would be unlikley happen this way). Also, as deeper you would fly into our universe sphere as sooner you would get "anomalies" (explanationable) which would ofc interfer with the suns and planets exposed the other gravities.


    That do not take such effect on us because of the position of our Milky Way which is pursuing away from the core of our universe but i some billion years (do not have an exacter amount of time and to lazy to search for it) it will go the other way, back to the core and things will change aswell.


    So this is my personal explanation to express that we have to be in a 3d Sytem, would be interesting to put the time dimension to it aswell to see how it would be in some 1000 years.


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