Posts by StephanoV

  • Server situation

    a new set would actually make things more simple because people would not have to think about how to react in one given situation...because it will all be written down...


    And even if the rules would consist of 19 pages there could be a summary that would look like your current set of rules (and everybody could know what not to do)...only that it would be a summary of the ruleset and people would be able to look up the article or section that describes a situation that they are in so that they could see what will happen and what certain things mean in order to get a clearer picture so that there will be less stuff left for subjective interpretation. SPs can do the same.


    Things would be complicated until the rules would be finished and adopted. From then on, things would get ALOT more simple.


    @Titus-Bode


    Referees act on a strict set of rules...I doubt that a referee does not know the rules perfectly...so the situation is not the same here...all SP decisions are from the start subjective. they are the result of personal interpretation of the rules which can be collective but not all the people are agreeing on stuff so if it's not written down...well, you know the latin proverb "verba volant, scripta manent". (words fly away if not written down)


    @ gunny
    I was not insulting you I was merely describing a real life fact. The metaphor builds a visual image that closely resembles your current attitude towards me (and PX for that matter). If in the future you do not want to see such descriptions I would suggest you refrain from unapropriate comments and what would seem to be failed attempts at subtle insult.

  • Server situation

    @ Michael


    Of course that with every rule there comes at least a notable exception. This document is meant to foresee a large number of situations.


    @ Lucy -
    If you want to play as a freelancer it's best to read only Server, general and RP faciton one. approx. 7-8 pages written in 12 TNR. The server rules will be the shortest I think, approx. 1 page or so.


    If you want to play as a clan you would need to further read the clan rules and the individual RP faction. That would mean max. 10 pages alltogether (Server, General, Clan, Faction RP -your faction RP-). It is not even mandatory you read those...you could only read your RP faction rules (ie pirate) and the general ones and be briefed by your clan on the clan RP rules.


    If reading 10 pages (as a clan leader or member of its Council) is too much (not necessarily all at once because when you face an in-game situation you could go directly to the rules afterward in order to clear things up) and sacrificing about maximum 10-15 minutes from your free time (even 19 pages is not a book and I hope I will be able to keep it under 19, plus you don't need to read the other RP faction Rules), only once, in order to achieve a clean server in which RP happens without people interfering and everybody is bound to the rules, with no exceptions and enforcing those rules will mean only applying the punishment and not making judgements (the SPs I mean), then I wish you good luck in finding a better alternative that does not rely on so many "subjective" points of view.


    Kalisie


    SPs are currently like judges. The rules leave 99% to subjective interpretation (ie No suiciding.-> What is suiciding?Is self-killing suiciding?Is suiciding not allowed when 2 persons agree to do it?How do you determine if somebody intentionally let himself be killed by NPCs? (maybe I'm sitting near Earth and a DK shows up and shoots me, is it my fault now?. What is "driving people off the server"? What is a KoS? Is a KoS when I decide to kill a person only a number of times per day and then move on but do it every day? How many times do I have to kill a person in order for it to be considered as a KoS? ETC. I could fill 100 pages with this stuff...because those are not rules, those are an interesting little story on how things happen on this server from the general point of view.


    I think that what matters most is that you know how it is punished so you know what to expect. Banning people all over would make them go away pretty fast...The set of rules I have in mind would discourage people of breaking them but keeping them on the server because there would be a "buffer" zone...as punishments would first be RP related and only when the offender would prove that he is persistent in breaking the rules (for a number of times) then the real life punishment would be applied.


    @ everybody


    These rules have been in place for years and years. How was the situation in the last 4 years? Have things went smooth? Of course that those rules were ok in the beginning because the community was smaller at first and more enthusiast. What will you do when the 1.8 gets released and alot of people will come. Won't it be too late then, to change the rules...? Why do you think that, for instance, Eve Online has/had like...20 pages of rules? How many people do you figure would be playing CF now if it weren't for those incidents in the past, present and let's hope that not in the future?


    I would like to ask you to not comment on the nature of these rules and not ask me particular things as it is a waste of time.


    BOTTOM LINE: Does the CF Community want a new and improved set of rules? I am asking everybody, including OP.


    I am not much better than any professional in my line of work but I am a Bachelor of Laws, I am working with an attorney for almost 2 years now and have both seen my share of rules and interpreted them and I'm reasonably proficient in the English language. These are not exceptional qualities, though I think they would recommend me for this kind of job but that is not important, your opinion is. I am offering to do this in my free time, of course and getting you all to agree on stuff will not be easy at all. This process may turn out to be useless anyhow if people will not agree on the entire set of rules and a considerable amount of work may go down the drain...


    With this in mind, please note that I will not answer any questions related on how the future laws will be or give any hints on why this new set would be better than the current one. I will however expect your decision. I will be awaiting your PMs (seems the best way to know without hijacking this thread and stuff). However it would be, OPs word will carry the most weight.


    Thank you for your attention.


    P.S Gunny, don't bring your personal issues wherever you walk, like a little black cloud hovering above you and raining s@#t.


    That being said I will end my contribution to this thread.

  • Server situation

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    Originally posted by RogueJet
    All the rules are fine, as they are, and people agreed on them when this place came alive. All RP rules were discussed by the community for a month & then accepted with OP`s approval. It`s the people who don`t understand or simply don`t want to understand them, that are wrecking this place. Let`s face it: OP gave this community more that their deserved chances to set things right & ppl have failed every time. He has made up his mind & the ppl of the comunity have to face the punishment, coz noone is without guilt by now. Yes, we can do better, but don`t you think it`s a bit too late for that? It`s always the same: OP get`s pissed/disappointed, we get shaken up/scared, try to fix our mistakes in too great haste & when OP`s calmed down a bit, we`re back to the old shit again. It`s been going like this for the last 2 years, as far as i remember.


    OP has created this place for us, to do the one thing we all have in common - Play the game. If we mess it up constantly, then i`m asking myself whether we need and/or deserve it or not?


    Mate, no offense but the current rules are no rules...they seem more like a story like "Hansel and Gretel" than an actual set of rules...I have some experience in working with rules and believe me...those aren't good rules...let me point out only one crucial mistake: there are alot of "do not"s but what happens if I break them? There are no punishments for the interdictions...so then people do not know what to expect, because it is all left at the discretion of the SP...the SP should only be the one who enforces the rules not interpret them (and here it's 99% interpretation and 1% actual rules).
    The rules I have prepared contain at least 5 pages (with characters of 12, Time New roman) of General RP...that's the basics and most general rules...there would be 6 more Server, Clan and RP (1, 2 pages each)- Police, Smuggler, Pirate, Merc.


    This way everybody will know what to expect if they break a rule and SPs will only have to apply the punishments set by the rules and not decide themselves which punishment to enforce. This way it will be way easier...I don't see this happening with the current set of rules...all I see is alot of people arguing about alot of things...

  • Server situation

    @ those who may concern


    In my experience, all societies are built on common interests. It takes 2 or more people with common interests to form a community. Currently CF 24/7 is facing the problem of too many people with too many opposing interests. So, naturally...people leave.


    The BAD thing is that not everybody can be fully satisfied under the current situation and if some parties were to obtain it then there would simply be no more RP what so ever and doing nothing will change nothing and make the current state a permanent one.


    The GOOD thing is that the root of all of these problems is SUBJECTIVIY (and the lack of empathy), in other words ones' attempt to modify a real situation as a feedback to an internal emotional process that in its turn had analysed a real fact.


    This is, by all definitions...a big, smelly mess right now. Why is subjectivity a good thing in the current situation? Well, because there is a small chance to coordinate the efforts towards synchronisation of interests. In this regard, the work is already half done: We all want this server to exist.(I hope so)


    In order for people to get along and strip certain things of the so dreaded subjectivity, there would be a need for a very good set of rules that would have a complexity that would permit them to cover a very wide array of posibilities but keep them as simple as possible so that everyone could play by them (and convert Subjectivity to Objetivity and neutrality). With all do respect for those who made the current set of rules...it's is not a very inspired one because it leaves everything (and I do mean everything) to subjective interpretation.


    OP, as you know in my free time I have been working on a set of rules (to be honest not only me but Ancalgon and Huor too because I needed a cop and a pirate point of view), slightly more complex than the current ones. The only problem is that I have kind of incorporated some concepts that were already tried in the past (but in my opinion not organised well enough...because they did not work in the end...). I still have some work to do on them and very little time to do so.


    IF you are interested and the community itself would be interested in this then I will continue with it and post it in a thread at SWAT for public debate. Then, after let's say one week we will close the thread and adress the issues in the clan leader board where it would be subjected to further debate. When the clan leaders have reached a decision (and we will have a deadline on that so it will happen eventually) they will vote (on each article, like they vote laws in the Parliament) and the finished set of rules will be presented to OP for validation. Once everyone will agree on those rules they will simply be enforced and nobody could invoke injustice in the future.


    The SP would have to only enforce the punishments set in the rules for certain things and not decide themselves.


    for this we will need the following set of rules
    -Server Rules -RL punishments and situations
    -General RP -RP related punishments and situations
    -Clan RP -RL and RP related punishments for special offenses and inter clan situations


    Once these rules would be adopted everyone would have to obey them. If something will need to be changed it would be changed in the following manner: Proposal presented, exposed to public debate for one week or so, brought to the leaders' board and debated some more and then voted by the leader board or not and only then the rules would be modified.

  • Crossfire 1.9 Features



    Mining could be very cool and I think that in theory could be accomplished this way:


    A special base that could be purchased by a clan (extremely expensive) that can be used as a ship (though really really really slow much more slower than a train) and that people could dock to (like a battleship).


    Some new commodities could be added (like -Crude H-Fuel-, -Crude Whatever-) and those could be mined form a cloud and sold to these special basses (Each base would be able to sell only 2 commodities either Crude H-Fuel or H Fuel/ or Crude Whatever and Whatever) on a pre-determined price (like 100k per unit). Ideally these basses could sell themselves "H-Fuel" or "Whatever" for like 1 or 10 cr. so that people can go directly to the source when trading and sell it to the highest bidder. The "legal" profit could be like half or even more of the "illegal profit".


    Furthermore, minable clouds could be minable for certain ammounts of time and the the same mineral could be spawned in another cloud somewhere else in the Universe...there could be a determined amount of mineral comodities that could be mined this way...and why not, illegal commodities like alien artefacts or cardamine factories or whatever, there's no limit...all of these could be destroyed or captured of course...


    This would add:
    -miner RP, mine + protect the mining operations, prospecting for "mineral deposits"
    -trader RP (can be the only common RP of all RP Factions), trading on routes that change and finding the producers in order to maximize profits
    -make legal trading more profitable and exciting and so punishing smuggling more severely
    -make smuggling more interesting (as a smuggler clan would have to protect their sources -basses, factories- from police and keep police from finding their factories_


    -the world of CF is very big and will continue to get bigger...clans could put basses (very expensive basses) like that everywhere in the universe so CF will be EXPLORABLE 24/7 (cops will continually search for basses of illegal operation and illegal trade routes, miners will continually search for mineable deposits and defend their mining base, pirates would tax and maintain illegal basses and defend them against the police and work with smugglers who will continually try to avoid the police and prevent them for discovering the basses they trade from, mercs will continually offer their wider range of services -def, att, escort, etc) -> a rp depth never seen before in any game what so ever.


    Plus, if the game would recognise the first four letters of one char then according to this some trade options can be enabled or disabled according to how friendly the other clan or member of a clan or freelancer is.


    These are all just ideas but they are all based on a couple of things that can be done and the "shared reputation" wich I do not know if it would be possible...

  • Crossfire 1.9 Features

    Would it be possible to mess with some of the features of the game engine in order to add more depth to the mp rp.


    For example, if one could "mess" with the reputation system and make the game recognise...let's say the first four letters of a char (for example |PX| or DC) in order for all the chars that have these designations to be all incorporated as one single parameter so that every action of every member counts as the action of one and has effects on all the clan (every char that has the initials), then:


    If this could happen and people will be able to "buy" stations as they "buy" ships then the station will be like a char with the aforementioned designations and therefore share the same reputation.


    Furthermore, I think that in theory at least a station could be "captured" if a certain type of ship (called for example "Troop Transport" or any other type of ship that can dock with a station and has a big hull), especially designed for this purpose or not would dock with the station, changing its designation to one of another clan so there will be 2 tactical options -> kill a station or capture it. Furthermore, "marines" could be bought as a commodity and be of different qualities (very expensive and effective squads, less expensive and less effective squads). The station itself could have a certain amount of "marines" and further and repeated docks with the "troop transports" would make the "marines" cancel each other (the system of transferring items and money could help on this one)until there are no more left on the station, when the station would be conquered by the attacking clan and so its designation changed...


    I am sure that much more can be done with this...I think that it's very important that we know what can be done with the engine so that we may throw ideas around...

  • PX Declaration to the CF community

    In the future, if PX members break the rules and in doing so threaten the interests of others we expect your filed complaints on the PX Forum so that they can be properly invetigated. We expect everybody that has been wronged by a PX member to file a complaint with the SP, Admin and/or with PX authorities on our forum so that the incidents can be investigated properly and the matter resolved in the best way so that just satisfaction is achieved.


    We expect this to be done privately in the first place and then, if the outcome does not satisfy you, we expect you to adress the issue in a public way, not like Spiky did here -while we were expecting BGs answers on the matter so we can know what all this is about-. There is a Romanian saying "Dirty clothes are washed privately"...of couse that was before the existance of public laundries, which is exactly where Spiky seems to think he is at this moment.


    Through this apology we made the first step in adressing the issue all of you as a community is concerned about and that regards all of us, because none of us are perfect so none can cast the first stone (although some do cast stones, regardless). As I said, through this apology and these complementary measures we proposed and the internal disciplinary measures we enforced, we made the first steps into trying to resolve conflicts better, sit together at the table and talk things though without any stoning or stabbing.


    Please do not make us regret this.

  • PX Declaration to the CF community

    @ Diablo


    Here's an idea: Make a report to SP. Here's another one: Make a report on the PX forum. Yet another idea: Talk to your SMG superiors (the ones that asked you to not hijack this thread) and maybe we will talk and resolve this matter.


    @ Spiky


    You are a very funny dude.


    "seriously mate, I am almost online every evening, I talk to a lot of people and also try to get a big picture of what people think and want on this server.


    Do you think I pull what I say out of my ass? Do you really think I'm that big of an ignorant?"


    I must say that I envy you, as I cannot play each day but that does not mean I am not aware of what happens on CF. In fact, I keep getting information from various sources and can get the big picture even if I am not directly involved each day.


    to answer your question...yep, it sure seems like so. Why? Well, think about it...there are currently 2 persons backing you up on this forum 1. Gunny (indireclty and maybe by chance because another issue has been discussed and was sorted out) which has a history with DW and is clearly speaking because he felt threatened by our declaration (No reason to to feel like that because we respect his role as a SP and because of more reasons previously adressed in a prior post)
    2. Diablo...who is in fact speaking against orders from his superiors (and did it more than once) within SMG (and who refuses to aknoledge that he really needs to post this stuf somewhere else in order for that particular incident to be treated with attention and not as an auxiliary post meant to stone PX and flame this thread)


    "
    ALL the things I stated here is a combined result of what and most, Pirates Cops or Freelancer a like think. Don't tell me the things I write here are without any ground information. As much as I may insult you, you insult the whole community in the way you act. My intention is not to start a war with PX. I already said numerous times now that you should change how your members act and how they do their RP NOT BY WHAT I WANT but WHAT THE PEOPLE ON THIS SERVER WANT TO SEE - A PROPER CONDUCT OF EVERY SINGLE CLAN!!!!!!!!! Understand that this CODE OF CONDUCT I'm talking about here has nothing to do with other clans, BUT YOUR OWN and you are supposed to CREATE one YOURSELF for YOUR members and ADAPT to the FEEDBACK of the PLAYERS on this SERVER. "


    Things you write here are without ground information.
    So practically by apologizing to the community for what Toombs did and answering in solidarity in order to prevent further incidents like these we insult the community? Once again? Who made you president, Mr. Spiky? The fact that we aknoledged that there was a problem with one of us and started to take a stand FOR the community is wrong? We post apologies to DC and SMG and they consider themselves satisfied by our apology and measures taken against Toombs.


    Here you come, knight in shining armor to save the CF Community from the apology of PX. So practically the clans that were offended through this incident consider themselves satisfied and the almighty Spiky does not...way to go...We should probably apologize for the apologize, should we Spiky? This is not your game mate...there are more people involved in this so let them speak. If you are so determined to see the communities' opinion then why not try to create a code of conduct on which all the clans should agree upon?


    Oh, ok...so you want us to make a "Code of conduct" for our members only now all of a sudden. Practically you want us to adapt the behaviour of our members according to feedbacks from different members of different clans.
    Mr. Spiky...you realize that you are being completely illogical on this one...So, practically every clan has strengths and weaknesses. Some are very agressive (like BG, who do not fine as a policy) some have more active members (like PX, who fight more against one because they help each other). You are saying that every clan should adapt and modify their "code of conduct" to better suit another clan...so practically we are to give up our advantages for your benefit.


    Just as the rules do not say that fining is mandatory, they do not say that multiple players cannot attack one player. (so when BG fines, if PX pilots will not pay they will wait their turn in attacking, would you accept that? lol)


    So you want PX to "adapt" to your "code of conduct" that would mean that we would have to take turns in attacking you (like in karate movies) and make things easier for you...make insulting us easier, make attacking us easier and undermining our organisation...and lose online game time as we do that (some of us are not that lucky to be able to play several hours per day)


    If we were to do as you say then we would kill RP because if every fight would be a 1vs1 pvp...it would get extraordinarily boring...


    "There are NO PROBLEMS whatsoever with other clans here on this server!!!!!!! WHY? Because their members ACT PROPERLY and have FUN!!!!!"


    Wrong. wanna know why? Because we are the most active clan on the server and have increased in members and thus we have more power. So that is why you do not currently have a problem with another clan. If tomorrow DC would become the most active and began to rule the server you would surely see the same in them (with no reason).


    "There have been so much occasions when people simply logged off or changed char because they did not enjoy the 'RP' PX was doing, switching chars and PvPing 5vs1 !!! I don't need stupid screenshots to proof that."


    Yes, for once when we KoSed a bloke from Australia for invading Alaska multiple times and using bad language to PX, when hunting Diablo for invading Alaska multiple times, etc.
    Roleplay is roleplay mate...it has consequences. The only situation a persons logg off is when they are KoS, and PX does not KoS without good reason.


    I almost logged of once for being attacked and killed (I was a newbie then) by Galacticfire 3 times for no reason and without warning (not even def). He did not say a word about it, not one. I did not talk to him about that. Instead I reported it to my clan leaders and the problem was not resolved in public, like you are doing now.
    Other abusses are expected to be reported to SP or our forum.


    "
    I don't play on this server to report every single thing someone does man, I wan't proper RP and proper PvP. EVERYBODY wants this. THAT IS WHY THEY PLAY ON CF IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! "


    You know damn well that these kind of incidents do not happen on a day to day bassis. So, if you have x hours to play CF, then you surely have 5 minutes to write a report to SP if you see something gone wrong...in the interest of the community take 5 minutes to write a report...because you are beating your chest that "it's not only about you" lol.


    If you want proper RP and proper PVP, better start doing something about it for yourself like reporting everything you deem to be against the rules and damages your interests. If not, then it seems that these things do not bother you so I do not see the point in bringing it on this forum (other than flaming this topic and continuing with your insults)


    "At this point I wills stop reasoning with you and let you rot in the belief that PX is the victim here and that your clan is doing nothing wrong."


    I must congratulate you on this decision.
    Here's one: IF you really saw something in PX that you thought was wrong and wanted, in the interest of all the CF community as well as your own, to right that wrong, you would have adressed your clan and the PX clan in order to try to work together and work out those problems. Maybe talk to BG leadership towards a post in the Clan Leaders'board where the issue could be better adressed (and where "everyone" could state their opinions...everyone being not only you in this case).


    How you preffered to do: You obviously did not raise those problems with PX and try to resolve them...so it's clear for me that this is not your concern. I think that you do not care about the problems of the community. I think that you see in PX a rising power and one that does not share your views on how things should work (from your perspective) (because we have different strengths and weaknesses). Without taking the "honorable" way and talking with us first and trying to identify and adress the problems at hand together, you decided to go behind our backs and make accusations and ridiculous claims, insulting us and flaming the topic we intended as an apology to the community and as a start in trying to make things better for all.


    So no, Mr. Spiky...we will not be the ones to rot in the belief that we are the victim. We did not react more agressive to this sharade because of our respect for BG. We will, however, let you rot in your (probably altered) so called "sense of honour".

  • PX Declaration to the CF community

    Mr. Spiky, first of all thank you for telling me after 3 pages of forum what I asked you in the first place.
    Secondly and on a more serious note I'd like to point out the fact that you, yet again, disrespected my wish to not hijack this thread. So, I understand that you do not have any respect for PX but if so please note that in the Universe there is a reaction for every action in existance.


    Thirdly, speaking of insults, you have not insulted only certain members of PX but the whole PX just because you THINK that people should act the way you act. As to in-game insults, I really have to ask you: Do you always leave the insults of others unpunished (and not taking screens) or is it only for PX members so that later you could stick it in our face? It very simple, you see a breach of the rules as bad language is concerned, REPORT IT!!! Otherwise you are left with unfounded and feeble accusations. So, practically first you encourage that kind of attitude, letting people insult you while insulting back and then you call us dishonorable. Mr. Spiky, the set of rules made for this game are on display for everybody and I am sure they were not put there so we could not read them...but I suppose you already knew this because you are in CF way longer than me. Next time this happens, I would report it if I were you, this way at least we would have a chance to discipline our so called "dishonorable" members when presented with hard evidence (not only presumtions and instigations).


    In the fourth place, please do not speak for all the CF Community and try to stick to your own person (that is if you do not have the power of reading the mind of all players of CF through the Inet). Furthermore, please try to understand that a "Code of Conduct" will not only integrate your own tactics it would have to be agreed by all of the clans of Crossfire and put on a piece of paper. You cannot storm in and say that we did not respect YOUR meaning of HONOR or YOUR self-made code of conduct. So, excuse me when I say that if I have half an hour to play on the server, especially if I do not play that often, I would not hesitate one second to join my 6 mates in order to kill you. Why, because if I wanted to sit and do nothing I would have watched TV instead. Plus, strenght comes in numbers too and what are brothers for if not to help each other achieve their goals (ie, take a bounty).


    I did not know you were banned from the PX forum but I am glad to see that because I would have done that too if it were my decision. You have singlehandedly insulted PX as a clan, alot of its members and continued to do so despite our attempts to sort out the problem and find a resolve. So there you go, that's why you got banned from the PX forum...I can't understand why you are whinning about it though...what did you think would happen? Anyways, you don't need an account on the forum of a dishonorable clan, do you?


    Given the fact that like OP said and you quoted RP "cannot be based on the strict meaning of honor", it cannot be based on your meaning of honor. The strict meaning of honour, Mr. Spiky is set by alot of people agreeing what "honour" means. Spiky's meaning of "honour" is based on what BG has agreed on. So until I see a "Code of Conduct" signed by all of the leaders of CF please do not speak to me of honor, especially after exibiting the kind of behaviour you have adopted from the begining of this incident.


    You understood it right Mr. Spiky, we are the victim here, in this situation. I can make a little sketch for you so:
    1. PX publicly apologizes for the incident involving PX Toombs and among others BG Spiky himself.
    2. Spiky states what he already stated online (we have screens of it) and knew PX took offense of because PX contacted BG authorities about it.
    3. I make a post on page 1 hoping to determine what makes Spiky so angry at PX? No reports of bad language directed at Spiky were recorded, nothing was brought to our attention (we, as the PX Council) so Spiky makes accusations out of the blue and I tried to determine what was the problem.
    4. Spiky says he will not continue on the subject (ignoring my post)
    5. I repeat my question and politely ask for an answer.
    6. Spiky takes the oportunity to insult PX again but this time he insults me as well directly implying that I do not even understand the meaning of honour and that if we want an answer we should wait on his whims.
    7. I try to explain again and request a clarification
    8. Spiky repeats his statement again, repeating the insult and speaking for the whole community when he said that "PX is seen so badly in the community" (when did they elect you president mate?)
    9. Daywalker closes the PX response.
    10. I am given permission to become active again in this matter and respond trying to clarify the issue and trying to keep a formal tone.
    11. Spiky finally answers, taking the chace to insult PX again (this is the 4th time), speaking in the name of the whole community again (really mate, when did you get elected president?). After publicly stating PX has no honour, Spiky finally gave the reasons of his argument:
    a. Presumably some PX members insulted him (but he did not take screenshots of it). Mate, that either means that you instigated, insulted back or you are just plain old masochistic about it...If this really bothers you and it really happens why don't you FILE A REPORT AND/OR HELP US DEAL WITH IT?
    b. Too many PX members attack a target at once. (why is this even an issue and not self-killing?)
    c. PX doesn't follow the inexistant "Spiky's Code of Conduct"


    And that's about all...


    Let me make a quick observation...for a person that speaks that much about honour, Mr. Spiky...you sure do insult and disrespect people alot. Of all the people that PX "pissed off" why were only you and SFP Gunny rainsing the issue on this thread (hijacking it)? *Edit* Oh, and Diablo who after insulting some PX members a while ago almost got KoSsed by us but luckily he agreed to do some work for us and it all straightened up (we offered you a way out of that KoS mate, remember...so next time you have something to ask us, please do it via the PX forum or report it to your SMG superiors and let them talk to usand Btw, Badboy is a newbie at CF do not mistake him for Toombs as they are two different persons* Because the others are either not pissed at PX or have some little respect for us and THAT IS WHY we made this declaration in the first place. Because we are not perfect as you are not perfect and as everybody here is not perfect but we aknoledge it and take the stepps to resolving all these issues without people getting angry, insults and X pages of forum space.


    We do not try to mock you, Mr. Spiky. I am just stating the facts and your reactions. If my reactions were a little acid that is because I fail to understand your motivation in adding insult upon insult and probably a little self-defense too.


    In the future, if you really want that such incidents stop try working WITH US rather than AGAINST US...give it a try, see how it fits. You cannot gain respect without giving some in return.


    In conclusion, we took note of your opinion. We hope it is not the opinon of all BG and we suggest you try to bring to our attention all incidents in which you think you may have been wronged by a PX member (by breaking a rule and with real evidence of the incident).


    Thank you and have a nice day/night.

  • PX Declaration to the CF community


    After asking permission and receiving it from my clan, I am adressing Spiky as following:


    Mr. Spiky, your time on Crossfire was not under attention here and neither is your experience and dedication that I am sure all of us appreciate and neither BGs'prestige as a FL clan which again, I think we all recognise.


    Furthermore, my involvement in CF is neither under attention and has nothing to do with the matter at hand.


    The matter at hand, Mr. Spiky is common sense. In order to display it you do not need to have a special quality, nor vast experience...not even dedication to a cause.


    We did not want to propose definitions of certain terms but given the fact that you made some accusations towards PX on multiple occasions...practically on every occasion you had to express it publicly and the way you expressed it left room to interpretation, we only asked you to clarify your stated opinion on the matter(opinion stated both online and on the forums, on different occasions).


    Adding insult to injury, you did not only direclty disrespect my request to not make any further reference to this matter but added a few comments aimed at me personally, which I took note of.


    I did not hold any lectures I only asked if the things you said on repeated occasions about PX are to be interpreted as they sound (that PX has no honour, etc).


    Mr. Spiky, this post began as a statement directed at all the CF Community, not only you. You chose to repeat your statements about PX, statements you know we are offended about because we already contacted the BG Leadership about it. Your statement has not been clarified for us even now and seeing that you remain firm in your efforts to make these statements on multiple public occasions we thought it would be nice to know if that is in fact what you think and if so to please state the reasons why, eliminating all ambiguities from it.
    We were not approached through a diplomatic channel about this (PX not being honorable) so all of this talk that we are not honorable seems out of the blue. If there were some things out of order you should have come to us first, before stating opinions in public.


    So, Mr. Spiky what I asked was very simple:
    1. Do you think PX is not honorable.
    2. If so, why do you think this.


    You do not have to answer these questions, I have faith in the BG authorities and await their feedback on this.


    Currently I have very little time to play online but as I work I try to stay active on the forums in between what I have to do so believe me, I do not have alot of time to stay and chat so I'd have to ask you to forgive me if I do not take you up on your offer.


    In conclusion, we have posted a message that had its initial pourpuse. This pourpuse has been hijacked and drifted away from its intended effects. If there are any more comments please adress them in other topics or on our forum. I think that we have been understanding enough until now with these issues, not throwing rocks around but trying to assess the situation and remove any ambiguity from the context. We have been stoned in the process of doing so and now, in order to end the fighting we are dropping the matter and awaiting a resolve through other means (waiting for BG authorities feedback).
    I am asking you the second time Mr. Spiky, please do not make future references about this and leave it as it is for now.


    Thank you in advance.

  • PX Declaration to the CF community


    Yes, there is a way (actually more than one way - SP, Admin, SWAT forum - another thread- PX forum, SMG forum, etc) for one person to bring incidents to light but this is not it. As I have previously said, not in this thread. So once again, please direct your efforts somewhere else.

  • PX Declaration to the CF community

    @ Spiky
    So practically, Mr. Spiky you are saying that we are supposed to answer the question weather you are deliberately insulting PX on multiple occasions or not and we should find out your general meaning of honor in order to find this answer. Furthermore, if we wanted an answer out of you the whole PX should wait according to your whims until you will be "in the mood" to do so. Ok, I think I caught up on that.


    I do not personally seek an answer but given the fact that you have made some indirect accusations with the occasion of replying to our letter of apology so in a public way, we would very much like a public answer in which you could enlighten us if that is your opinion or not. It is in fact very simple, as I said. No "friendly" advices needed (nobody asked in the first place for one), only argumentative dialogue.
    Anyway, the issue has been previously adressed to BG authorities and we have confidence in a just outcome so no further debate of this is needed. However, I would have to ask you not to make future references to it publicly.


    @ Gunny


    Mr. Gunny, I do not see the point of you repeating what you previously said. The bottom line is that PX apologized to the community and using the Server Rules in the process (that's for what they were made...), specifically the section where it says that one can file a complaint with a SP when noticing a breach of the rules or when his/her interests have been injured. PX did exactly that, we chose Phoenix because communication is easier and he knows that situation well and frankly we are comfortable with it because we know that Phoenix will do what it needs to be done (not that other SPs wouldn't do that) and can apply punishments while not taking in account that he himself is part of PX and so do what needs to be done for safeguarding the rules. There were no orders issued to SP Phoenix, we cannot do that, we can only issue orders to PX Phoenix and those 2 are never the same.


    I did not say that you did nothing, I said that there was no reaction on the forums. The situation may have been contained then and there in the system but for us the harm was done and so we appealed to a SP as the rules say, in order to prevent such incidents from happening again. I was not there when it happened and so could not fill these complaints with you. I frankly do not see why do you think that PX would abuse of its SP in order to punish...OURSELVES?!? Believe me, if I did not have to do this I wouldn't and if this continues on its present path I will start to regret I did so...so next time a PX member breaks the rules and we do not do anything about it you would accuse us of trying to put it "under the carpet"...? Let me tell you, a clan putting stuff "under the carpet" sounds way more logical than a clan trying to use their SP in order to punish one of their members...


    Furthermore, this was NOT an attempt to cause you any inconveniences or undermine your authority, so I really do not see the point in your accusations...you have nothing to defend against. This is exactly what it sounds to be, a public apology from PX to the CF Community. I do not see the point in throwing rocks at us...you either accept it or not.


    @ OP
    I'm sorry that this got out of proportion, I did not post this for this effect. It is however my mistake that I did not ask for it to be closed in the first place.

  • PX Declaration to the CF community

    @ Spiky
    I believe I asked a legitimate question, whose answer I am still expecting. It is in fact very simple, you either made a poor choice of words or you point at PX as being dishonorable.


    @ Crysis
    sorry for the misspelling...happens alot to me (because I am often in a hurry to finish) and thx for the response


    @ SMG Diablo
    Please do not hijack this thread, it is intended for specific purpouses. Furthermore, please direct your requests either to the SMG authorities in order to begin talks with us or on the PX forum individually. In conclusion this is not a suitable place for your request so any and all comments regarding it will remain ignored but approaching this problem in another thread either at the SP, PX or SMG forum may be the first step in resolving it.


    @SMG Myric
    Thanx. :)


    @ Gunny
    Quote:


    "As I said in the SP boards. The Server Police do not work for the clans, they work for the Admin. We do not and never have enforced clan policy, rules or punishment.


    PX internal business is PX business that should not involve the PX SP acting as SP.


    PX wanting to fine its own members can be done by the PX members, not the SP."


    End of quote


    Unfortunately mr. gunny, you stand incorrect.


    PX would have appealed your injunction if one would exist. We however did not have any ruling to appeal because there wasn't any reaction to the incident. Not on the SWAT forums, not on our forums...So we followed the instructions of Section 1 of the Crossfire Server Rules, Reporting rulebreakers. According to this rule, we sent SP Phoenix our complaints about PX Toombs together with the annexed screenshots. In our complaints we suggested a punishment that we thought would fit the incident and prevent future PX members to break the law and SP Phoenix apparently thought it to be appropriate. Besides the 20 million fine, PX Toombs has been further sanctioned internally so the 20 mill cr fine is not an internal measure of disciplinary action (as he answered to the whole community though this fine not to us as a clan), the additional, internal one is different and was enforced within the PX organisation by PX authorities.


    1. Given the fact that through this complaint that we filed with SP Phoenix we have only brought to his attention the breach of rules made by PX members and suggested punishments meant to be enforced only on PX
    2. and given your reaction to this
    => I can only draw the conclusion that you mr. gunny do not think that clans should take responsability and act towards disciplining their members (respecting the CF RULES in the process) first and foremost, dealing with any and all problems in the interest of the whole community and not awaiting complaints from others. So even if your point of view does not come close to ours, please respect the opinions of others and stop making ridiculous and unfounded accusations (and please save this speach for when you see SP Phoenix NOT punishing PX members for recorded crimes -screenshots needed or solid proof where no doubt is left and not only points of view and feeble presumtions-).


    Furthermore, mr. gunny, instead of focusing on blaming PX for filing complaints about their own ranks when a breach of the rules was brought to our attention, thus acting AGAINST our immediate interests as a clan and TOWARDS our interests as a WHOLE COMMUNITY please focus more on "incident management" and doing YOUR job as a SP not on how OTHER SPs perform in their SP DUTIES.

  • PX Declaration to the CF community

    Quote

    Originally posted by Spiky-
    now if you would change certain principles your clan is based on then may be people will see the honorable side of PX - just a friendly advice - and people on CF can happily live ever after


    Mr. Spiky, are you implying that PX is based on principles that are not honorable? Furthermore, are you implying that PX has a dishonorable side?

  • PX Declaration to the CF community

    ***Communique***
    ***From: PX Diplomatic Offices***



    Given the recent incident involving PX Toombs, SMG Picard, DC Cryssis and BG Spiky when PX Toombs and SMG Picard generated a conflict in which DC Cryssis and BG Spiky got involved at a later time and its consequences, resulting in bad language used by PX Toombs and BG Spiky,


    The PX clan publicly apologizes to the CF Community for the inadequate behaviour of its member, PX Toombs. Furthermore, PX will not tolerate any mistakes of its members and will take measures to prevent any present or future member of our clan to use abusive language. In order to prevent further use of abusive language we have declared solidarity with PX Toombs and accepted to be held accountable together.


    As the PX representative in the Server Police, SP Phoenix had the bitter job of enforcing those punishments.


    Signed and sealed
    Stephan


    ***End of Document***

  • Demotivation

    Cool, after that we can plan a Eurotrip this summer and all meet and get drunk and especially get OP drunk (we have a special bottle of "Tuica" here and it says "OP" on it (Romanian strong beverage, gets you FUBAR)) :D
    (All in favour say aiy)

  • The ''You`re Banned'' Game

    I ban you all (caresses long beard and raises staff, quicly puts out joint) for it is the will of our Lord and he spoke it to me through a burning bush... (spiky, I know what you're thinking, don't be a blasphemer and go confess to a priest before you get hit by lightning) :P

  • Tactical Nukes?

    I think that there would be a chance of destroying rp if nukes are available for any ship smaller than a Battleship, or in the best case a Cruiser...People can make 100 mills in one without breaking a sweat per day so they would be able to buy...like 5 nukes per day or so...=> that would make pvp very short and uninteresting...if battleships or destroyers would be the only ones able to carry such a weapon people would be forced to work together and specialise in order to use that...+ nukes would not be used on incoming fighters because it would take out the cruiser/batt too (because of lack of maneuvrability)=> it would be best used against other capships, task forces and basses (so that they would take out...half a base or a quorter of a base...) :D

  • Your ship Infocards

    Name: Khayal
    Guns/miss: 4 * X
    Turrets: ---
    CD Slots: 2
    Armor Capacity: 7400
    Cargo Load: 150
    Nan/Batt : 50
    Gun Power Capacity: 10.400
    Max. Angular Speed: 1.6847
    Impulse Speed: 150.00
    Strafe/Nudge Force: 20.000/30.000
    Size (L x H x W): 7x2x10
    Station for Purchase: Juneau Shipyard, Alaska
    Price: 250.000.000


    KHAYAL (Very heavy scout) â Not many people have seen a khayal in Sirius because it is one of the most elusive craft that populate this galaxy. In fact, one of twenty people with a medium lifespan of 110 years have reported seeing craft that would look like the khayal when entering or exiting asteroid or debris fields, although some of these sightings occured when people were going around in circles lost in vast gas clouds. Rumour has it that the design and production of this medium scout is the result of combined economic espionage and very careful planning in the assasination of key scientists and key figures involved in the projects that were linked together to spawn this technology. The very knoledge of this shipsâ existance is considered to be a twist of fate as a single one was discovered on planet New Berlin after the riots and civil disorder following the news of Chancelor Schultzkyâs assassination by The Order. Immediately after civil order was re-established a full scan of the planet confirmed the existance of an anomaly inside a natural rock formation. After the first scans of the area were completed immediately after the arrival of the recon team it was establlished that the vessel entered the rock formation through an opening that was just 10,8 mm bigger than the shipsâ hull, as its sharp lines and small size made it possible for it to land at its current position. As recon teams got closer a self-destruction mechanism was trigered leveled half of the mountain and an area of aproximately 3.2 square kms. Rheinland scientists searched with state of the art recovery and simulation technology and managed to sum up some of this shipsâcharacteristics. Nothing was ever found out about the shipsâoccupant. After data has been analysed by experts from the Cambrige University of History and Anthropology they reached the conclusion that some of the data resembled symbols used by an arabic assassin cult that dated from the IXth Century back on Earth called the Hashashin. As a result, they named this craft âKhayalâ, which means âghostâ in the dialect presumably spoken in that time. Any attempt by Rhineland and Liberty authorities to try and trace back the provenience of these technologies back to the people lying in cryostasis in the five original sleeper ships either ended in a dead end or the refusal of authorities to fund such "trivial" endeavours after some unfortunate deaths in the families of key Government officials. The Rhineland Government sanctioned plans for incorporating what little data was salvaged into developement of current Rhineland technology, but it is believed that under 10% of the actual data about this ship is known. There are however rumours that sightings of the Khayal have been reported in Liberty space but have never been acknoledged by Liberty authorities.