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Since my old AMD starts to make more and more problems I decided that I want to get a new PC at the end of this year.Unfortunatly a few weeks ago, I made the big mistake to check what my options might be. Now I got infected by a serious illness called "impatience". I belong to the people which relative easily understand how hardware works and what fits together.But I also belong to the people which actually dont care about such stuff until I really need it.So the last time I updated my knowledg…

yes thats normal, as soon you buy something its old already however, I think that Intel currently is doing alot of crap.Instead offering the CPUs at a price where they can compete with Ryzen they release them overly expensive again.And they do that eventhough they practically messed up the release of this new generation of CPU by having not even the correct mainboards ready to support them. Coffee Lake CPUs get released in October.Because the series 300 mainboards are not ready by then they re-…

I get your point and I am actually not that far away from it.Ive spend a good amount of time to select the best for my money and my goal is to build something thats somewhat future proof (which of course is a bit unrealistic).I dont really want to start upgrading again in a year. I want to invest into something good now (without spending money for stuff that turns out to be not required).And if I eventually intend to do upgrades I want my hardware as compatible as possible. This is why I decide…

Even worse than building a 1500€ PC is buying a complete PC system.For a PC with the same components you easily have to pay 2000-2500€ if not more. And that if you even find a PC system with such components.I even looked at vendors and every high-end PC there (unless ultra expensive ones) have some components I never would buy because they limit the other high-end components. Very often they put in cheap mainboards which limit the performance. Or they use slow ram... or high-end CPUs and graphi…

May I ask, why do you need that much RAM?

Latest articles about the new Intel CPU tell that it appears that the mainboard manufacturers havent managed to optimize their boards and bios to operate correctly with the new i7-8700k.It is most likely that the leaked benchmarks are based on the CPUs base clock speed only, while the comparisons with the I7-7700k have been done so far at Turbo clock speed @ 4,5Ghz. Thats pretty interesting because it means that the new CPU is running at only 3.8Ghz and is as fast as the old CPU running at 4,5Gh…

You are probably right with the power consumption.When I did the calculation on the Be quiet calculator last time I got other values for some reason but maybe I really calculated with 2 GPUs.The Zotac card consumes a bit more power than other gtx 1080. It reaches up to 270 W. So when considering 5 SATA, Overclocking, 2 Ram, upto 6 fans I would get up to 500W. With a 600W PSU thats about 83% load.The l8 has 88% efficiency (a bit lower than the newer PSUs -> 92%) but that should be fine. I dont t…

Personally I wouldnt go higher than 3200MHz on the ram because the performance gain above that is minimal because response times and latencies increase with higher clock speeds.When you have 4266MHz and have to run them 19-19-19-39 its probably still better (and of course more cost efficient) to run at 3200Mhz with 16-16-16-36 or even at CL14 rates.Next to that do you need to take care of the mainboard. Most mainboards dont even support more than 3800Mhz... some even less (even the Z boards). A…

Ive seen Ram benchmarks and we are talking just about a few % difference for something you wouldnt really notice since RAM almost never is a bottleneck for performance.In most games you would notice 0 difference. Only when running benchmarks or compressing large files you would gain a tiny bit. But in the end the question how often you do memory intense calculations. At best you gain a few seconds while compressing or compiling stuff and most likely you wouldnt notice coz you are off getting a c…

ive found this while trying to find the page with the performance comparison (Code, 5 lines) So yes, you are right. Question is if high clock speeds make sense compared to e.g. the 15/3200*2000 calculation considering that the DIMMs with higher clock speeds (4113) cost about 40€ more. I believe investing that price difference into a better graphic card or a good SSD leads to a better performance boost.

Like wander correctly said its based on a calculation of the clock cycle and the other values.In theory you could have RAM with 1800MHZ and RAM with 2100MHZ which perform practically on the same level.But you also could see a 10-20% performance gain if all the values allow it. Also do you need to consider a possible difference between DDR3 vs DDR4. DDR4 should provide a huge performance boost over DDR3. In gaming you will mostly notice only minor differences since most games actually dont requi…

Dont worry, it probably just takes 2 weeks for me to forget all that stuff again after i bought the PC.

600,- for everything, graphic card included? question is what you currently have (coz maybe some parts might still be compatible)another question is for what you want to use it (gaming?)if gaming... what kind of games and which screen resolution do you want to use for maybe 260€ you get a gtx 1060 6gb which should be about 75% faster than your current oneUserBenchmark: Nvidia GTX 1060-6GB vs 960it has about the same power consumption than the gtx 960 processor... maybe a i5-7600k for 210€you do…

yeah, you can get stuff done if you focus on whats really important for you in about 2 weeks i will make my decision after the new CPUs are available and reliable info on the price structure is known

IF available It looks like today was just a paper launch.No retailer over here got any CPUs and they have not the slightest idea when to expect to get some.There are lots of new mainboards available but no CPU that would fit into them. It might even take 2-3 months until Intel can deliver. *applause Intel*

meanwhile I pre-ordered a i7-8700k CPU for a pretty good pricequestion is if it arrives before my old PC finally dies (problems getting worse).Ill buy the other components when I got the CPU since in worst case it might take a few months for the CPU to arrive.Makes no sense having the other parts of the new PC lying around here unused and wasting warranty time.

Ok, while i am still waiting some info for people with similar intentions. Currently there are some issues of mainboards for coffee lake CPUs.Benchmarks showed that specific mainboards did push the performance of these CPUs to highs that other mainboards couldnt deliver.Some manufacturers seem to active MCE (MultiCore Enhancement) by default when you enable XMP in the Bios (aka. Xtreme Memory Profile -> automatically overclocking RAM to more than 2133Mhz).Using XMP perfectly makes sense since t…

(Quote) To be honest that does not surprise me at all.Your CPU has one base clock speed and one turbo clock speed for all cores.MCE puts the speed to max of the turbo clock speed.Thats it. Coffee Lake however is the first processor where you can scale the clock speeds for each core individually.You can run all cores on base clock speed of 3700MHz.Or you can run them at the all core turbo which is 4300Mhz.Or you can decide to run one core at 4700Mhz and run the other cores at 3700Mhz.These three…

So, ~7 weeks after the Coffee Lake release I finally got my i7 8700k.I seem to belong to the lucky ones since most of the day one preorders in germany are still not delivered. I dont think that the delivery situation is getting any better in December or Janurary.I ordered at 5 online retailers at the same time. One of them turned out to be a scammer and was selling CPUs via Amazon marketplace. Fortunatly Amazon has a good buyers protection and refunded dozens of buyers in Germany and UK.Strange…

The performance was needed for rendering or compiling stuff.But minecraft was installed by default...