Posts by Hardwired

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Originally posted by SWAT_OP-R8R
absolute bullshit you are telling here

jen and several others did start trouble not only with gunny... if i remember jen even was banned
and this never has been settled
especially not that arrogant shit about beeing biggest and best clan... bla bla

the challenge was accepted by both

if you would have read the thread closely you would know this
i was giving your clan a much better chance by doing a 7vsMe... but even that seemed too hard for you

the "evidences" about that disrespectful and arrogant behaviour towards the other CF clans can be seen on the same thread

and the proof (one of them) about the recruitment has been layed down by doppleganger

and dont tell us such a shit that you didnt hire some1 to kill sc... we know better
the LP clan should have much more information about this and a simple ID comparison should bring the proof that a NQ player came to CF to kill SC

we have the proof about GKs behaviour right here on the forum, we have the proof of recruitment right here on the forum, we have the proof of GKs cowardness right here on the forum and im pretty sure the serverlogs contain the proof that you hired some1 to kill SC

and you are wrong - the reason for all this is a primary matter
maybe u better should ask yourself why there was not a single vote against this war and why all those clans here support it
if there wouldnt be a reason they wouldnt do so
and you better get familar with the fact that "war" in lancers does not mean to have a few fights and go afterwards

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I am neither telling nor insisting OP. I stated an impression I got from the thread. But if you say it was not settled, then fine. It was not. To me that is history in itself. But you must go your own way of course.

I see that I missed that you agreed to the 1 vs 1 if more were not possible. That was my misstake.
The lack of showing up is entirely up to Jen. I don't know why it never got off ground. But there you go.

The evidence on disrespectful conduct and the like is apparent and not in dispute at this point anymore.

You need not be so hostile. I never said that it couldn't have been done. I said that I found it highly unlikely. But an ID comparison would be interesting. Since it would tell me who in fact came here to do such a thing. So I would much appretiate if LP can can provide me with IP's and the like. Thanks in advance.

The definition of war in Freelancer is of no interest to me whatsoever. I play this game in a leisurely way. I have a highly stressful life and need an outlet sometimes. Freelancer is one, Enemy territory is another. So you can war all you want. It makes no diffrence to me.
And I can't speak for each clan here or their reasons for wanting a fight. Usually member on one server would love a chance to stirr trouble with a rival server. Regardless of the reasons. That may be what occurs here or it may be not. I will let each stand for his own reasons.

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Ah, very good. That I can use. Can you possibly find an IP connected to that account. So I can determin whos alias that is?

- HW

Thank you Dopp.

I know it wouldn't take you long to find it, considering you spent alot more time on these forums than I. That is why I asked for it.

But I have a followup question to you. You stated that DukeF was/is a GK. That puzzles me since there is no, nor has there ever been, a DukeF in the GK Freelancer division. And I can't even find a DukeF in the entire GK. So is this an alias you were aware of?

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Well in all fairness. I do not know you. So you will have to forgive me if I do not take your word as fact at all times. But you gave me something to go on and that I appretiate. Since now I can look further into the matter myself.

Server loyalty?
I was on CF a total of 2 or maybe 3 weeks. I had no connection to CF to speak of really. So I don't see why loyalty be all that much of a big deal. I found NQ more to my taste and eventually the majority of th others moved there as well.
I have no doubt that OP does a hell of a job on his mod. And that he does it for the players of CF. That was never an issue. But that is moot at this point.

I am quite comfortable on NQ so yes. I am welcome to it. The reasons for me posting here is of course apparent by now. I am not looking for a way back into CF. I came to see what had cause this line of action and what could be done to correct certain missdoings of others.

- HW

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Originally posted by SWAT_OP-R8R
the decision was done
the proves were layed down and still can be found on this forum
BG is not known to do decisions light hearted

but to say it again

GK did act absolutly unhonourful and without any respect at times when they were on CF (the jeniffer issue is just an example) and there were enough situations on the server which were unhonourful aswell

then the challenge... it was in Starlancer... and gk agreed but never showed up (i give a damn about reasons)

the badmouthing about the CF server cant be denied because it is well known on both servers

and that a gk member came here to make ppl leave to NQ cant be denied aswell... the post was made here on this forum

in 6 years of playing lancers ive never seen such a crappy clan before... first you guys did claim how big and good gk is and then you hide.... run away... agree to challenges but never appear.... do badtalk about others... and try to convince ppl to leave to another server.... not to mention that GK had to hire a player from NQ to kill one of your ex-members on CF (supercars)

GK is a shame for the whole lancers community
the decision for war has been done... the war will come... it will come when we decide it... it will be done how we decide it... and no other admin can stop it to happen

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Well now.

Not much in terms of evidence here, is it?
I recall the Jennifer incident. It was regretable. But such is the way with multiple members. The Jennifer incident was however cleared up to satifactory between Jenn and Gunny. At least that much was implied by the thread.

The challenge was never agreed upon. You wanted it and suggested SL as the game. Jenn suggested that you pick a game we were active in. You still wanted SL. So Jenn agreed if it was a 1 vs 1, you against him. You declined and wanted the 1 vs 7 deal. And beyond that there was no agreement. So unless there was an agreement off the boards then you are misstaken Sir. That whole bit can be read about here: http://www.swat-portal.net/php…6bfea64c9b3a0162b2&page=1

There is also few things in terms of evidence of this here. You say there is no reason for denying it. So bring me proof that it has occured. Cause I certainly haven't seen it. I know for a fact that people don't agree with you personaly. And that is not that surprising at times. But the server itself has yet to be bashed in my presence.

You say someone came here and recruited. I asked for the proof that you have. May I then see it?

Hireing an NQ member to kill Supercars. Right. I highly doubt that ever occured. SC wished to remain on CF. So we didn't make much fuss about it. He can do as he wishes. There was never any grief in that decition on either side. So I find a hit to be very unlikely. I would be interested to heard where you got this information and see any proof avalible proving it.

I should point out that I have no real ambition to stop this "war". You obviously want to stirr up some action like this and the reasons to do it is a secondary matter to you. SO now it's a pure interest in seeing what real merit this evidence has.

Sincerly
=GK= Hardwired

OP. I sent you a PM since I did not find the thread that sparked rumors. But seem that I found it after all. But you can still PM me back if you wish to settle this is in a civil manner.

Until then I shall attempt to answer each point as best I can at the given time. Keep in mind that it is 6:47 am right now and I just got home from a 12 hour shift.

- their behaviour on this forum when they were on CF
- I can only speak for myself here and for those I saw when I played. And I am not entirely certain what behavior you are refering to. A clarification would be much appretiated.

- their unhonourable behaviour in general
- This is a quite "fuzzy" term at best. So I would also like a further clarification here.

- the cowardly retreat from CF
- This point I most certainly can adress, since I was the one to bring up the move in the first place.
During the mod update for CF the server was down. During that time I jumped around from server to server, checking out what was out there. I came across the server in question, that suited me better personaly. That is nothing against the CF mod, it just wasn't my groove. I suggested that we tried another mod for a while.
A discussion ensued for some time and a trial period was decided on. It proved to work out quite nicely for us. And by the time CF got back up we had established a nice hold on our current server. Thus the decition to stay was reached. There was nothing more sinister to it.
There were those that did not want to leave CF, and they are still around I belive. Thats the long and the short of it.

- the cowardly retreat after i challenged them (SL game: 7vs1, 10 kills for them 100 for me)
- I belive this was something you suggested to Darkstar (not entirely certain on that). I can recall that he declined since that game is not part of our community. But you may see it as a cowardly retreat, if you wish.

- the badmouthing about CF on a different server
- This I highly doubt to be true. I can agree that people have experessed personal opinions form time to time (which should easiely go under freedome of speech and opinion). But I have never witnessed an outright flaming or bashing of the mod itself. Whatever griefs members have with each other is really insignificant. The total view on the mod is truly what matters. And the quality of the mod has never been in dispute.

- and finally the fact that one GK member tried to make CF member leave to another server by posting this on OUR forum (can be proven at any time)
- I would like to see the proof on this. If only to be able to handle the member in question. I have no knowlege of any such act beyond what was written here.

On the matter of a war.
I can't speak for the whole division as such, but I belive I know them well enought to make some comments.
We left Crossfire to play on this other server. With that we left whatever clans exist on the Crossfire world. A war between clan on a server to server basis is quite uncalled for, and will most likely not be allowed to happen by the other servers admins.
GK is not interested in a war with you, or any other CF clan. And I really don't see why we would be such a big thorn in your side, especialy consideing we are out of your hair now.

I want to thank you for your time in reading this. I shall be looking forward to dive into this discussion further, after I had a few hours of sleep.

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hell, i'd give it a go too for the way they mutinied and ousted thier own clan leader.

This got me curios. To whom are you refering? Considering Darkstar is the clan leader, and is still at power. And the division leader at the time was Avalon, whom also came along for the move to our current server.

Sincerly
=GK= Hardwired

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Originally posted by burro
@ Dragonwarrior,

It is still in beta testing. Op said probably this weekend we will be able to play again. Most current Mod info at Crossfire Mod>CF 1.63. 1.63 and 1.7 are the same. Welcome back to CF.

Crud.

It would have to be when I got 5 days off. And start working on Saturday.

Just my luck.

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I won't push this discussion any further from my end, I took that decition after my last post actually. Any and all judgements done by the admins of the server I will accept and abide by, as has been my custom from day one.

I made my point quite clearly and expressed my views. And frankly I can not ask for more than that.

In closing I would like to commend the designers for an excellent mod and the admins for a job well done.

[27] Hardwired

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Originally posted by flyin_si
yes there are ways around it but the best way is

listen to yourselves you know what is fair and what isint

its simple if you are a decent person with values of fair
play then you will know

if your not then you will not

the latter has my pity; and i hope you learn the benifits of honour one day

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That goes whitout saying of course. But I have through experience seen that honor drives very few in our time. And if there is an edge to be gained then there will be a majority seeking that edge.

The suggestion to only permit logouts in landing areas isn't looking half-bad right about now.

[27] Hardwired

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Originally posted by SWAT_OP-R8R
at least ppl will think twice if they f1 out (hopefully)

Sadly there are ways around that delay. And all too many people noticed it right away.

Just 5 minutes ago I witnessed two "subjects" F1 out to a diffrent system, kill another player, and then conviently F1 back to their former location. And the delay was not a factor in that occurance. That I am very certain of.

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Originally posted by burro
@ Hardwired
"But you will be hard pressed to find players that would willingly enter dublin with 3 BG in that system. It's just not gonna happen. So I still say that it would be a nice feature to remove."

ROFL. Dude many people challenge the blockade in Dublin. Even if 6 BG in Dub. There are also other trading routes.

The location id and f1 add to the difficulty of CF. Players should learn the skills to cope with these factors instead of saying no fair please remove. Strategy as well as good combat skills are required here.

The reason some of the CF veterans get annoyed about these topics is because instead of the noobs taking the time to search the forum for these same subjects they just make another post. They often start out by telling everyone how great they are and how much experience they have bla bla bla. Then they post a critique list. Its the same thing over and over. If you decide to stay around for a while you will see what i mean.

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I am sure that people challenge the blockade from time to time. That was never in dispute. I do however belive that a majority will look at the player list and choose a diffrent path. Or just wait out the people in that perticular system. Without the system ID that would not be an issue. And it would add to the fun of the game. The unknown factor is always the most fun.

And this is not at all about skill. It never was. It was about some realism to the game. People talk left and right here about RP reasons for certain action. I find that laughtable in it's current state. There is an abondance of information and tricks here that seriosly hinders any form of roleplay. And it is being used without shame.

In these matters I rather be new to the server that a veteran. Cause a general effect of being "used to the swing" is the faliure to see beyond the box. I think this thread has more than a few good suggestions that would improve the game experience. But they are being comletely ignored by those that rather maintain the status quo.

This isn't a revolution trying to start. Just a few good suggestions that should be explored, in my opinion. Take it for what it is.

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Hardwired the prob with removing the list is that SPs wont be able to do their job.

That is a legitimate concern about the list. And one that perhaps a solution can be found for.
But note that I never advocated the removal of F1. Just the use of it. People should hold some responsibilities in their actions. And a policy of not using it as a means from travel would be on their own part to uphold.

[27] Hardwired

No one need to leave or get a hissy fit over a topic like this. All that needs to be done is for all egos to go right out the window. And look at the problems each of us have objectively.

When I suggested to remove the system ID in the player list I meant just that. Just the part that tells what system someone is in. The rest of the list serves a legitimate purpose and hinders no fun in existing.

I see alot of diffrent view on how this would have a negative effect. And I can agree on some points to a degree. But I still say that the list in it's current state kills alot of the unknown facors. And it's those factors that would truly make it interesting.
I agree that you can't always win. But you will be hard pressed to find players that would willingly enter dublin with 3 BG in that system. It's just not gonna happen. So I still say that it would be a nice feature to remove.

Short of that it's the same thing that has been suggested before.
That people stop using F1 as their own personal warp portal and start actually traveling to the systems where they want to be.

[27] Hardwired

One thing did occur to me as a semi-solution.

It's that damned player list that exists in Freelancer. Telling everyone and their second cousin where everyone else is. That thing is a damned curse.

Smugglers use it to keep rack of the military/police. And the latter party use it to keep track of smugglers and pirates.
If there was some way to disable that fuction we would have a more balanced standing. Cause the best way to stop the spreading of OOC knowlege is to remove it completely.

Military/police would have to make random checks of systems without knowing if there truly is anyone in that system. And smugglers would have to take a real risk for once. Not knowing if he/she will face a squad of fighters on the other side of the jumpgate.

It would bring back some suspence into travel. People can still speak in private messages with the intent to meet each other. So there would be no real loss to the game enjoyment.

I do not know if this would be possible however.

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I had no problem with the posting on this thread, until I reached page 5. I was not aware that people used F1 to transport themselves to a new location in an instant. And that may well and true been ok for 3 years (or however long it's been), but you will not sit there and wave the RP flag if you pull that crap.

I am an old school roleplayer. I have been into the "scene" for a very long time and played a great number of PnP as well as computer based RP games. And using the F1 key in the manner described is using Out of character (OOC) info as In Character (IC) info. It is not cool in the majority of RP settings, and I question the use here.

Granted that it would be dull to guard a system all day. But if that is what you set out to do, then do so. Don't use some half-assed excuse of RP to jump in and out at your leisure.
If you truly want to RP a blockade and not be bored. How about setting up patrol routes? That would involve travel to the setting. You could also set these partol routes with shifts. So a set amount of people take turns "on duty".

I like the idea of the blockade, but it should be done correctly. Cause calling it anything close to RP related in it's current state is a big pile of BS.

[27] Hardwired