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Yeah, well Mcafee is also AOL based, and everyone knows AOL is virus central, for every virus Mcafee finds and deletes, 5 more takes its place, and is also whitelisted in the Mcafee database and therefor isnt considered a "threat". As for my three programs, they work wonders, if one doesnt find something, one of the others is garranteed to find them. Oh and I forgot to mention that I also use Spybot Search and Destroy, which is gods gift to the world, XD