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george, enough of the stupid cockfur comment. havent you noticed no one gives rats ass about the comment? anyways back on topic. i run 6 skyblast b turrets on my train. the high rate of fire is great if they come in close and i can spray enough laser fire when they are at long range to keep them at bay. and ive found that the adv hydroxyan (sp) thrusters work nice... and a ripper mine, b/c i can take out TLs as i enter/exit them to slow dowm other trains i am racing !