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titan addict: Since v1.52 in multi-player you should experience a cheat-kick and lose any money gained for the BS turret thingie.... U didn't?? Also, Elite Def is a turd boiler in pvp's. Just wanted to let u know. Alot of ships are ok against npc's but suc at pvp... To be good u need to be a small target, be agile, and have good wep slots like 2 or 3 torp/CD's. Those are more important than having tons of armor.