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Both these ships needs some experience for theirs usage. Some TLs first gates are hard to dock, but if you learn use 3rd person view (or turret in some cases) for proper ship positioning, then you will see that also these ships can nicely use TLs. Next to this have both liners strong shield resistant to cds, have very good strafe and plenty firepower from theirs build-in turrets. You definitely have real chance to avoid or kill attackers (included pvp) once you drive these nice ships. Prison sh…