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I also find it very frustrating (but it is human nature) for people to form an opinion based on what they heard from other people, specially if it is people they attribute a "authority" to. Playing 'fair' has never won naybody anything other than respect - even sometimes to the point of 'loosing' or 'being shut down', but respect is something that can not be purchased at any price. If you want my respect, you need to play FAIR in everything you do. IF you don't care about myrespect, but to win …

Gibbon on the list got to me as well.