Roleplay vs Reputation

Some questions on that :

What about Coalition and Coalition Rogues ?
What about all the civilian factions :
DSE, Interspace, BMM, GMG (the "vanilla" faction as well as the "special CF" faction)
etc., etc., ....

and more general :

will these settings be "fixed" in the sense, that "reputational work" like
bribes or killing other factions (like killing xenos becoming > better with almost everybody else)
will NOT have an impact on your reputation anymore ?

What happens when you dismount your licence ?
Can the above mentioned "mechanics" on reputational work affect you standing with nps factions again ?
What when you REmount your licence after such a reputational work again ?

since i am a merc and because this new feature seems not to affect my good reputation with Corsairs (although i finally got a Bounty-Hunters-affiliation ) and other criminals, i could say "nvm, just do it!". but in the name of fair-play i suggest to change this small detail so that the criminals are at least not too friendly to merces.

could it be possible to fix my rep with criminals (or law-keepers on the other hand) by killing players with police-license (or pirate-license on the other hand)?

all in all i like the idea a lot. it is not logical to be a cop having a criminals-affiliation (and vice versa).

OMG...

Though my first reaction was "crap, this will mess me up", this actually opens up a whole new array of opportunities and will make the gameplay more interesting and dynamic, not to mention that the old asses like me who are used to doing things a certain way will be forced to look for new ways of handling things...

I'd say, implement it.

Fixed rep means next issues:

• trading in areas with stronger NPCs will be for pirates practically impossible. Counting a fact that clan members will need to trade for making conquest system working it imo represents serious issue and disadvantage to them. Especially when there is so much areas controlled by "police" factions. Some know freelancer pirates could fully ignore that, but is really good idea to made clan bases build made for pirates clans harder as for other RPs?
• chasing players in areas with "hostile" NPCs will be for pirates highly questionable. They will be practically without a chance due constant CD disruption and attacked in some major systems all the time = force them to avoid them.
• ship purchase: for pirates will be possible buy some ships only prior they will equip theirs license (or temporary unequip).

... this above looks to me very hard for pirate RP on first sight. (I know that new RP system give them perfect possibilities for doing pirate RP included taxing, but problems with so much hostile NPCs may prevent them to do this). Some old pirates may still find a way how to live with this, but what with new ppl?

Questions:

• Reputation -0.30 represents -3 bars? (border when is possible to buy ammo and ships on bases?) ... It also means that -3 bars are still "neutral" .. right?
• Will be player able to dock on bases made as hostile by license? ... in 1.9 it is possible. (if no, next question is not actual, but still he may try "temporary" unequip his license in system)
• What if player temporary remove license on base? Will he to be able buy ships, equipment if he buy a bribe for a base owner?
• What with actually existing chars? (will reputation change apply automatically too?)

Suggestion: Could be possible think about change pirates reputation lowering to -0,3 "only" like it have police? ... or is there some other idea?

as i understood, the rep will not change when u unequip the license. but u can fix the rep later with the usual killing/bribing/shooting depots/accepting and declining missions. unequipping the lic. for a short moment to buy a ship won't work in this case. and for clan-members: unequipping the lic. will lead to ban/kick, as mentioned in another thread.

@ Martind

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Suggestion: Could be possible think about change pirates reputation lowering to -0,3 "only" like it have police? ... or is there some other idea?

From RP-context it would look more consistent, if police-RP would be lowered to -0,65 on pirate factions.
That would give them in pirate npc infested systems (i.e. the X-systems, the omegas, ...) similar disadvantages.

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trading in areas with stronger NPCs will be for pirates practically impossible. Counting a fact that clan members will need to trade for making conquest system working it imo represents serious issue and disadvantage to them. Especially when there is so much areas controlled by "police" factions. Some know freelancer pirates could fully ignore that, but is really good idea to made clan bases build made for pirates clans harder as for other RPs?

Could be "fixed" by the suggestion above - at least partially - by giving police-RP similar disadvantages in certain systems.
Also :
What about hiring a trader or smuggler for getting needed components ?

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ship purchase: for pirates will be possible buy some ships only prior they will equip theirs license (or temporary unequip).

Dunno, but I think that would apply only for ONE DISTINCT VHF of the range of "mostly used fighters".

@ OP

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... this means that players actually can even buy stuff from these bases (even if its hostile)

But as I remember, you can trade goods on this stations, get your ship repaired as well but you can't buy weapons, ammo even shield batteries and nanobots if you're -0,3 or lower. (I would be happy an recents MP-player could prove me wrong.)

- in 1.9 MP (atm) you can dock also on fully red base. But there you cannot buy equipment (included bots/bats), ammunitions and ships or take missions in bar. Lowest possible rep when you are still able buy equipment ammunition and ships is -3 bars. Dunno when you can take missions.

@NucNuc: this hire merc will very likely not work for "conquest system" special cargo delivery. I thought too about this idea.

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If there is possible to set reputation interval for npcs factions for different RPs , then it may work very well. If you set the cap to -2 (or -3 ... interesting idea) bars (hostile-neutral) then pirate/police can do fully his RP, but he will need to be VERY careful when he will operate in "unfriendly" environment. This is imo fully OK ... he will have chance to do his RP, if he will really take care about his reputation with NPC factions.

Hello,
in my opinion the license-based reputation changes can have a negative impact on gameplay, namely in

1) trading: it would be impossible to trade in areas patrolled by hostile factions, and more difficult to choose the way for long multi-system runs;
2) upgrading: it would be impossible to buy a specific ship or piece of equipment sold in only one place if the base owner says "you must be on friendlier terms" (this also applies to containers for trains);
3) exploration: it would be harder to map all systems in Sirius when some factions are hostile because of your license.

Together this can result in considerable inequality between different RP sides by introducing limits or inconveniences in non-RP (!) aspects of the game. And since clan members would be doomed to live with certain limits, this might even discourage new players from joining clans.

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One one side its more realistic and for sure more interesting ... on the other side it limits the players and the regions where they can go to.

Guess I just described the second part of this sentence in more detail Anyway, the idea is that while realism is a purely conceptual improvement, it can cause a number of very non-conceptual in-game problems like mentioned above - and feeling more realistic is not an adequate compensation for them.

Besides, outside RP situations all players must have equal rights and freedoms - that's how it should be on an "Open RP" server... I think.

- Wanderer -

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A LOT of new replies were submitted while I was typing sorry if I repeat what someone already said.

it would help more if you could think of changing the way you fly now. The changes for sure would make it more complicated travel to hostile space - but well its an MP game and so it could help to let others join. So could pirates hire mercs if they need protection - now there would be more sense to use it.

Just saying dont be so shy to try new stuff. Universe is changing every now and then and so brings new things... standing still wont make you good in a changing environment^^

@ Huor

In a way it would make the gameplay really something new.
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worth restarting a"brand new life" with new chars

@ OP

Then , ... if set to -0,295, FINE,
only the prob of a dozen npc's shooting CDs left and the shooting while docking/undocking.
(Well, something we should be used too due to experiances with DK Gunboats in Coalition-space, shouldn't we ?

@Martind

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this hire merc will very likely not work for "conquest system" special cargo delivery. I thought too about this idea.

COULD work if combined with cargo transfer :
Smuggler/merc delivers stuff to a certain point, employer "takes" cargo via transfer and delivers it to the clan base.
Perhaps a bit complicated but would work for "normal" goods - but not for containers, I assume.

Brand new, lurking for awhile, and really excited.

On this topic: I would think pirates could buy fake id's to do their business in the core worlds... maybe with a timer? and if they run the tax command they lose it?

A very good idea. Roleplay must be harmonized with the outside world.

Definitely a good idea. I'll go with yes

SWAT_OP-R8R: is possible update first post with possibilities how this system can be set? I see huge difference between use fixed reputation values and use fixed reputation intervals. If is possible go for ''intervals'', then reputation system can be great thing imo. Players still will have possibility to work on theirs reputation (in given borders) with npcs, but there will be significant difference how much they can change them for different server role-plays.

I know how it may be tempting go for solution when police rp will be hostile with criminals and pirates opposite to 'lawfull' factions all the time, but my experience tells me that this can be fun/interesting for clan members only for a short/limited time (talking mainly about pirates and police). They don't have possibility use chars with different rps and it will push them out of clans back to freelancing (or doing only pvps ). ... and without strong pirates and police clan(s) you can't expect working role-play on server.